Branding myself with a soldering iron?

[Dav]

Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?

I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).

I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.

I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

i can't believe you even need to be told why this is a bad idea.

[Dav]

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
i can't believe you even need to be told why this is a bad idea.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable question to me.

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
Can I use a soldering iron to do cautery branding?
The problem with soldering irons, wood burners, and similar devices
(including small handheld medical cautery tools generally used to
control small bleeders) is that they don't retain enough heat to be
used with any degree of reliability. In order to use them effectively,
one must brand with so many "re-heat" pauses that undue pain is given
to the client.
If a tool such as these is to be used, it should be as powerful as
possible to make the branding experience (and product) a positive one.

Most of the stories of soldering iron branding on that site don't
sound particularly negative either, in terms of the end result.

The person I spoke to at the tattoo parlour (the only place for miles
that performs branding) told me that his cautery pen doesn't retain
heat, that he'd have to stop and wait for the tip to heat up again
several times - and does hurt. I'm pretty much expecting that as part
of the deal.

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

Post by Dav

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
i can't believe you even need to be told why this is a bad idea.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable question to me.

go on ahead & do it, then. post pics of the hot crusty mess. i can't
wait to see them.

[Dav]

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Dav

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
i can't believe you even need to be told why this is a bad idea.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable question to me.

go on ahead & do it, then. post pics of the hot crusty mess. i can't
wait to see them.

Isn't it *supposed* to be a hot, crusty mess afterwards - and for some
weeks following? ;)

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

Post by Dav

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Dav

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
i can't believe you even need to be told why this is a bad idea.

Seems like a perfectly reasonable question to me.

go on ahead & do it, then. post pics of the hot crusty mess. i can't
wait to see them.

Isn't it *supposed* to be a hot, crusty mess afterwards - and for some
weeks following? ;)

yeah, ha ha, aren't you cute. properly done? no. it's not supposed to
be a mess. but if someone, say, uses the wrong tool to try to create a
difficult design on a difficult and painful place on the body ... it's
almost surely going to be a disaster.

[Curt James]

The Queen of Unclear and On The Concept wrote:

[...]

uses the wrong tool to try to create a difficult design
on a difficult and painful place on the body ... it's
almost surely going to be a disaster.

Yeah, and everything you write is almost surely going to be a disaster.
This post was no exception, imo.

a) You don't know what the design is going to be at all. In fact, the
OP said they weren't certain of the design they'd eventually - if ever
- select. The only thing they did say was that it would include
straight lines.

heh

Capt. Google to the rescue: "The sort of thing I'm imagining would be
mostly
comprised of straightish lines anyway..." See:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/msg/1bd4db85e16dba93

b) Difficult design and difficult place on the body, eh? Guess I
should've nicked you with The Queen of Re and Dundant. So, the chest is
a difficult place? It's a painful place? Everyone feels pain in the
same manner and to the same degree? Okay, doc.

c) "It's almost surely" would indicate you're blowing air out your ass.
Opinion. We all have 'em. Mine is that you're a jerk, mica.

[K***@gmail.com]

The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

<snip>

Capt. Google loves you, doesn't he? I feel like I'm watching a first
grade classroom.

Glad you have such a great biographer, just wish he'd find some new
material.

Maybe his personal ass-kisser can help him out.


Kavin

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
<snip>
Capt. Google loves you, doesn't he? I feel like I'm watching a first
grade classroom.
Glad you have such a great biographer, just wish he'd find some new
material.
Maybe his personal ass-kisser can help him out.

I can't remember the last time I read one of his posts, but yes - I see
in my graphical thread thingie that he's obsessed with following me up.
You'd think he would've figured out by now that I don't give a shit what
he has to say.

[Curt James]

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
<snip>
Capt. Google loves you, doesn't he?

Like you love me, baby! ;o)

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
I feel like I'm watching a first grade classroom.

You know much about first grade classrooms?

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
Glad you have such a great biographer,

HAW! You, the terrier, my very own publicist and biographer, YOU're
not criticizing me about such things. She's the Queen and you must be
the King of ye olde pkb.

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
just wish he'd find some new material.

Why? Especially when the old material is so damn amusing:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/browse_frm/thread/e63e03797b5b7344/5f9aeb6514a4cf14?q=kavin%2C+volleyball&rnum=12#5f9aeb6514a4cf14

[...]

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
I can't remember the last time I read one of his posts, but yes - I see
in my graphical thread thingie that he's obsessed with following me up.
You'd think he would've figured out by now that I don't give a shit what
he has to say.

It certainly sounds like it.

[K***@gmail.com]

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
You'd think he would've figured out by now that I don't give a shit what
he has to say.

Uh-huh.

Oh, wait. You mean he's not plonked? You mean you have the willpower
not to read his posts? You mean you don't have, I mean HAVE, to reply
to him personally?

You have that ability?

And he can't do the same?

You so rock. Want to do it?


Kavin

[Curt James]

Post by K***@gmail.com

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
You'd think he would've figured out by now that I don't give a shit what
he has to say.

Uh-huh.

Nuh uh!

Post by K***@gmail.com
Oh, wait.

But not for too long.

Post by K***@gmail.com
You mean he's not plonked?

Who he? Me, right?

Post by K***@gmail.com
You mean you have the willpower not to read his posts?

Is this humor, Kav? Is this you being funny? I'm picturing you sitting
there with a mock look of surprise and amazement. Willpower. Gotcha.

If she has me killfiled then she wouldn't see the posts I write unless
they're quoted or commented on by someone like you. Didn't your pal
yit chastise me for circumventing any RABbits' spam filters by
replying to spammers? Guess you missed that. Maybe yit's not your
friend. Meh.

If she *doesn't* have me killfiled then she's doing a not too bad job
of avoiding interaction. Not the best, but not the worst.

So far as willpower or whatever you'd like to call it goes, lish is
the only one who has shown any, yeah, I'm not sure what you'd call
that either, but she's doing a bang up job of whatever it is.

And, yeah, I can comment on all of it regardless of whether the person
- like mica perhaps - gives a shit or not because I've got it like
that. I haven't set myself up for failure like ol' David RL has
repeatedly. Still there, Davey? Who cares. Heck, he even announced
when he UNDID his killfiles. Hilarious.

Post by K***@gmail.com
You mean you don't have, I mean HAVE, to reply to him personally?

Obviously not. And, hey, it's so much cuter to hear it said to a
second person. "You'd think he would've figured out by now that I
don't give a shit what he has to say." smacks of elementary school.
"You tell so and so that I said..." while so and so is sitting at the
same table. Funny stuff.

Post by K***@gmail.com
You have that ability?

heh

Saw M:I-3 last night. Previews included one for the new X-Men flick.
"You have that ability?" makes me think of mutant abilities and comic
action. What would your mutant ability be, Kav?

AMAZINGLY AND MYSTIFYINGLY ATTRACTS VOLLEYBALLS TO HIS CROTCH!

Or you could be ~*Something Like 47 Titanium Piercings Lad!*~
Astounding powers of cloaking himself against airport security
devices.

(I call this funny. What you're doing? Not so much.)

Post by K***@gmail.com
And he can't do the same?

I can. I choose not to. See the distinction?

Post by K***@gmail.com
You so rock. Want to do it?

Good luck. She's apparently squicked by the mere subject of sex.

Say, I wonder how I know that tidbit. Perhaps you complimented her on
her powers of not replying to me personally a bit too soon.

Hth.

Post by K***@gmail.com
Kavin

And have someone help you with your writing. You suck at it.

Opinion, yeah, but, well, what can I say? Just all over stank.

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

Post by K***@gmail.com

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
You'd think he would've figured out by now that I don't give a shit what
he has to say.

Uh-huh.
Oh, wait. You mean he's not plonked? You mean you have the willpower
not to read his posts? You mean you don't have, I mean HAVE, to reply
to him personally?
You have that ability?

I do!

Post by K***@gmail.com
And he can't do the same?

He's gone so far as to follow me to another group where he does the same
thing he does here: talks shit to anyone who'll listen, gives newbies
bad advice, and follows me up obsessively even though I ignore him.
Imagine that.

Post by K***@gmail.com
You so rock. Want to do it?

Totally.

[Curt James]

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
go on ahead & do it, then.

Zat what they said when you asked about that earlobe tattoo?

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
post pics of the hot crusty mess.

Iirc, you posted pics of THAT hot crusty mess.

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars
i can't wait to see them.

And, hey, was it one or both of your earlobes. Meh. I don't really
care. And, afaik, at least you didn't do it to yourself. Nah. You just
paid someone ELSE to make you dissatisfied with your head.

HAW!

[Curt James]

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

i can't believe you even need to be told why this is a bad idea.

I'm not surprised at all that you offered no information.

Still, WHY do you consider this an obvious bad idea, mica?

All things being equal with the tools (no clue there on my part), my
question would be about actually keeping a steady hand while
performing the work.

Best of luck getting some accurate information.

[Dav]

Post by Curt James

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

i can't believe you even need to be told why this is a bad idea.

I'm not surprised at all that you offered no information.
Still, WHY do you consider this an obvious bad idea, mica?
All things being equal with the tools (no clue there on my part), my
question would be about actually keeping a steady hand while
performing the work.
Best of luck getting some accurate information.

Thanks for that, Curt.

[DoetNietComputeren]

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?

Depends on whether you want the outcome to look like a mess.

Post by Dav
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.

Not really. Similar, but different enough.

Post by Dav
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

Do you have any idea on the scale of difference between, say, a Tattoo
and 500 degrees C of constant burning.

I cannot honestly vouch for your "get it looking exactly how you
envisioned it" comment. I think what with the pain and having to do it
in a mirror, you're more likely to fuck it up.

YMMV/

[Dav]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 08:24:53 +0200, DoetNietComputeren

Post by DoetNietComputeren

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?

Depends on whether you want the outcome to look like a mess.

Post by Dav
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.

Not really. Similar, but different enough.

Post by Dav
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

Do you have any idea on the scale of difference between, say, a Tattoo
and 500 degrees C of constant burning.

"It doesn't hurt as much as it looks/sounds like it should" seems to
be the general consensus amongst brandees when I was doing some
reading around on the web about the subject. Something to do with
burning away the nerve endings if the branding tool is hot enough -
which granted, with a soldering iron may be difficult to gauge.

Post by DoetNietComputeren
I cannot honestly vouch for your "get it looking exactly how you
envisioned it" comment. I think what with the pain and having to do it
in a mirror, you're more likely to fuck it up.

Fair enough. Thanks for that.

Just throwing a few ideas around at the moment really. :)

[DoetNietComputeren]

Post by Dav

Post by DoetNietComputeren
Do you have any idea on the scale of difference between, say, a Tattoo
and 500 degrees C of constant burning.

"It doesn't hurt as much as it looks/sounds like it should" seems to
be the general consensus amongst brandees when I was doing some
reading around on the web about the subject.

Sure. There is a difference between expectation, anticipation and
reality. I can tell you however that is does hurt, considerably. Or at
least it did for me. My pain threshold is enough that I misdiagnosed
both my broken wrists (at the same time) for some 12 hours as "just a
sprain".

Post by Dav
Something to do with
burning away the nerve endings if the branding tool is hot enough -
which granted, with a soldering iron may be difficult to gauge.

This alone tells you that you have a lot more research to do. Yes, the
tool should be hot enough to demolish the nerve endings. Have you
considered the surrounding nerve endings that don't get demolished?
Consider whether you have to have contact with something hot for it to
hurt you.

Also consider, whether being branded by someone else, might allow you to
submit to endorhpins etc and allow you to focus and breath and zone out
- could you do this if you were having to concentrate on the inflicting
side of the process at the same time? I know I could not.

Post by Dav
Just throwing a few ideas around at the moment really. :)

Have you done any research into things like heat spread/dissipation,
depth required to brand (hint, it's deeper than you probably suspect) etc?

[Hans van Eynsbergen]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:22:33 +0200, DoetNietComputeren, while still
wondering about life, the Universe and everything else, posted this

Post by DoetNietComputeren

Post by Dav

Post by DoetNietComputeren
Do you have any idea on the scale of difference between, say, a Tattoo
and 500 degrees C of constant burning.

"It doesn't hurt as much as it looks/sounds like it should" seems to
be the general consensus amongst brandees when I was doing some
reading around on the web about the subject.

Sure. There is a difference between expectation, anticipation and
reality. I can tell you however that is does hurt, considerably. Or at
least it did for me. My pain threshold is enough that I misdiagnosed
both my broken wrists (at the same time) for some 12 hours as "just a
sprain".

Post by Dav
Something to do with
burning away the nerve endings if the branding tool is hot enough -
which granted, with a soldering iron may be difficult to gauge.

This alone tells you that you have a lot more research to do. Yes, the
tool should be hot enough to demolish the nerve endings. Have you
considered the surrounding nerve endings that don't get demolished?
Consider whether you have to have contact with something hot for it to
hurt you.
Also consider, whether being branded by someone else, might allow you to
submit to endorhpins etc and allow you to focus and breath and zone out
- could you do this if you were having to concentrate on the inflicting
side of the process at the same time? I know I could not.

I agree totally. No way someone is able to self- inflict VERY serious
pain for a prolonged period of time.

My tattoo artist did a little skull on one of his own kneecaps.
Normally the job would have taken no more then 40 minutes.
It took him 2 hours to complete and he screamed like a stuck pig !
( I was there and saw him do it)
He is covered from his neck to his feet in tattoos, so he knows what a
"little pain" is.

No way someone burns a slogan on his chest working upside down and
mirrored while experiencing excruciating pain and keeping up the courage
and concentration to complete such a job.

<snip>

[DoetNietComputeren]

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
I agree totally. No way someone is able to self- inflict VERY serious
pain for a prolonged period of time.

You're wrong. People can do this and do exactly that.

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
No way someone burns a slogan on his chest working upside down and
mirrored

I would suggest it would be upside down OR mirrored, but I stand to be
corrected.

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
while experiencing excruciating pain and keeping up the courage
and concentration to complete such a job.

Depends on how good the outcome is expected to be.

[Hans van Eynsbergen]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 20:41:17 +0200, DoetNietComputeren, while still
wondering about life, the Universe and everything else, posted this

Post by DoetNietComputeren

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
I agree totally. No way someone is able to self- inflict VERY serious
pain for a prolonged period of time.

You're wrong. People can do this and do exactly that.

No doubt there are exceptions to the rule, but in general I think that
my idea is not totally wrong.
I simply don't see myself doing anything like the OP suggests.
And yes, quite a large part of my body has been tattooed, I have serious
experience with laser removal and started out with piercing a few
months ago.
I don't think the OP has reached the level of expertise you are
suggesting.
N00bs and all that....


<snip>

[Dav]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:22:33 +0200, DoetNietComputeren

Post by DoetNietComputeren

Post by Dav

Post by DoetNietComputeren
Do you have any idea on the scale of difference between, say, a Tattoo
and 500 degrees C of constant burning.

"It doesn't hurt as much as it looks/sounds like it should" seems to
be the general consensus amongst brandees when I was doing some
reading around on the web about the subject.

Sure. There is a difference between expectation, anticipation and
reality. I can tell you however that is does hurt, considerably. Or at
least it did for me. My pain threshold is enough that I misdiagnosed
both my broken wrists (at the same time) for some 12 hours as "just a
sprain".

Heh. I did that with a cracked metatarsal a couple of years ago - I
was hobbling around for two days after it started hurting (there
hadn't been an obvious injury to cause it) thinking that I'd just
strained something...

I'm fully expecting being branded to hurt, though I'm pretty sure that
I'll be able to get through it.

Post by DoetNietComputeren

Post by Dav
Something to do with
burning away the nerve endings if the branding tool is hot enough -
which granted, with a soldering iron may be difficult to gauge.

This alone tells you that you have a lot more research to do. Yes, the
tool should be hot enough to demolish the nerve endings. Have you
considered the surrounding nerve endings that don't get demolished?
Consider whether you have to have contact with something hot for it to
hurt you.
Also consider, whether being branded by someone else, might allow you to
submit to endorhpins etc and allow you to focus and breath and zone out
- could you do this if you were having to concentrate on the inflicting
side of the process at the same time? I know I could not.

Those are both fair points - ones I hadn't really thought about.

Post by DoetNietComputeren

Post by Dav
Just throwing a few ideas around at the moment really. :)

Have you done any research into things like heat spread/dissipation,
depth required to brand (hint, it's deeper than you probably suspect) etc?

Nope. There's a lot more I need to find out before I'd even seriously
consider doing it/having it done. I was only really making preliminary
enquiries here and I was kinda expecting that someone here might be
able to help me with this sort of thing, or at least point me in the
right direction. I didn't realize that I was going to be opening such
a big can of worms.

I'm beginning to wish that I hadn't bothered now, tbh.

[N Jill Marsh]

Post by Dav
Nope. There's a lot more I need to find out before I'd even seriously
consider doing it/having it done. I was only really making preliminary
enquiries here and I was kinda expecting that someone here might be
able to help me with this sort of thing, or at least point me in the
right direction. I didn't realize that I was going to be opening such
a big can of worms.
I'm beginning to wish that I hadn't bothered now, tbh.

Why? This is a nice sized can that may even hold some juicy and
interesting worms.

I'd be very cautious about proceeding, mostly due to the likelihood of
poor control over the depth of the burn when one's doing it oneself.
It would be very dependent upon the design and the equipment, I would
think. Unless you have a very special reason to do it oneself,I
suspect it's better left to steadier hands and a more objective
attitude.

nj"good luck"m

[Dav]

Post by N Jill Marsh

Post by Dav
Nope. There's a lot more I need to find out before I'd even seriously
consider doing it/having it done. I was only really making preliminary
enquiries here and I was kinda expecting that someone here might be
able to help me with this sort of thing, or at least point me in the
right direction. I didn't realize that I was going to be opening such
a big can of worms.
I'm beginning to wish that I hadn't bothered now, tbh.

Why? This is a nice sized can that may even hold some juicy and
interesting worms.
I'd be very cautious about proceeding, mostly due to the likelihood of
poor control over the depth of the burn when one's doing it oneself.
It would be very dependent upon the design and the equipment, I would
think. Unless you have a very special reason to do it oneself,I
suspect it's better left to steadier hands and a more objective
attitude.
nj"good luck"m

Thanks. Appreciate the advice...

[Curt James]

Dav <***@hotmale.com> wrote:

[...]

I was only really making preliminary enquiries here and
I was kinda expecting that someone here might be
able to help me with this sort of thing, or at least point
me in the right direction.

Which is, what some would think, the purpose of newsgroups. Obviously,
this is very often not the case.

I didn't realize that I was going to be opening such
a big can of worms.

Aw, the world is filled with big-can-of-worms people. Typically, those
types have nothing to offer but condescending jabs.

I'm beginning to wish that I hadn't bothered now, tbh.

Well, fwiw, I'm glad you did, if only to underline my opinion of,
yeah, some of those bcow peeps. But also you raised an interesting
topic and you received some good responses despite the seeming
jerkheadedness of some.

[Dav]

Post by Curt James
[...]

I was only really making preliminary enquiries here and
I was kinda expecting that someone here might be
able to help me with this sort of thing, or at least point
me in the right direction.

Which is, what some would think, the purpose of newsgroups. Obviously,
this is very often not the case.

I didn't realize that I was going to be opening such
a big can of worms.

Aw, the world is filled with big-can-of-worms people. Typically, those
types have nothing to offer but condescending jabs.

I'm beginning to wish that I hadn't bothered now, tbh.

Well, fwiw, I'm glad you did, if only to underline my opinion of,
yeah, some of those bcow peeps. But also you raised an interesting
topic and you received some good responses despite the seeming
jerkheadedness of some.

Yeah - I know a little more now than I did at this time last night. At
least I know on which lines I should be thinking before I go any
further with this. The system works (I guess)! :)

[Doesnotcompute]

Post by Dav
I was kinda expecting that someone here might be
able to help me with this sort of thing,

Some of us are.

Post by Dav
or at least point me in the
right direction.

Some of us are pointing you in /a/ direction.

If the help you read and the direction you are suggested are not the
answers you wanted to hear, we can't help that. You are of course free
to ignore anything you read here and proceed as you choose.

Post by Dav
I didn't realize that I was going to be opening such
a big can of worms.

Heh - new around here?

Post by Dav
I'm beginning to wish that I hadn't bothered now, tbh.

This is perhaps the most telling statement of all you have made.

[Dav]

On 4 May 2006 04:08:10 -0700, "Doesnotcompute"

Post by Doesnotcompute

Post by Dav
I was kinda expecting that someone here might be
able to help me with this sort of thing,

Some of us are.

Some of you are. :)

Post by Doesnotcompute

Post by Dav
or at least point me in the
right direction.

Some of us are pointing you in /a/ direction.

Some of you are. :)

Post by Doesnotcompute
If the help you read and the direction you are suggested are not the
answers you wanted to hear, we can't help that. You are of course free
to ignore anything you read here and proceed as you choose.

Post by Dav
I didn't realize that I was going to be opening such
a big can of worms.

Heh - new around here?

Semi-occasional reader and even more occasional poster.

[t***@gmail.com]

I'm in the same boat.. too much misinformation from those who have no experience... pain is nothing.. result is everything...
Wimps and naysayers.. grow a pair is all I say to them.
I'm gonna do it and post the results... I doubt anyone has yet..
\m/

[Hans van Eynsbergen]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 02:23:05 +0100, Dav, while still wondering about

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).

Tell me, Dav, are you SERIOUSLY expecting me to believe that you are
able to do a "slogan" all by yourself ?
Working upside down and mirrored ?
Right.....

Post by Dav
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium

Please, divulge your adventures when it comes to tattoos.
What kind do you have ?
How many ?
Large pieces ?
Maybe post a few pics /
http://tinypic.com/

Post by Dav
the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too).>
How difficult is it to brand oneself anyway

I Imagine that to be extremely difficult and very painful.
Don't gimme any crap about a superb tolerance for pain, cause we all
have a high tolerance for pain when it comes to tattoos, piercing and
laser treatment.
Branding might even be far worse.

And you are going to "write" this slogan on your chest ?
Mind you, I don't care what you do, it's your body after all.
But don't ask me to believe you.
For all I know you are just another 12-year old summer troll wannabe.

<snip>

[Dav]

On Wed, 3 May 2006 20:18:53 +0200, Hans van Eynsbergen

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
On Wed, 03 May 2006 02:23:05 +0100, Dav, while still wondering about

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).

Tell me, Dav, are you SERIOUSLY expecting me to believe that you are
able to do a "slogan" all by yourself ?
Working upside down and mirrored ?
Right.....

I don't know. That's why I asked if anyone had any experiences with
this. I'm not planning to just go out, buy a soldering iron, get
drunk, sit down in front of the bathroom mirror and draw all over
myself, yaknow? I'd need to know *exactly* what I was doing and what I
was getting myself into.

'Writing' a few words *would* seem to me to be much easier than trying
to 'draw' an image. The sort of thing I'm imagining would be mostly
comprised of straightish lines anyway...

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen

Post by Dav
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium

Please, divulge your adventures when it comes to tattoos.
What kind do you have ?
How many ?
Large pieces ?
Maybe post a few pics /
http://tinypic.com/

I have a large tat on my back (considering building it into a full
backpiece when I have the money) and a medium-sized tattoo on my left
bicep. I'd get someone to take pictures but my digital camera is
knackered. I'm not exactly a complete newbie.

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen

Post by Dav
the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too).>
How difficult is it to brand oneself anyway

I Imagine that to be extremely difficult and very painful.
Don't gimme any crap about a superb tolerance for pain, cause we all
have a high tolerance for pain when it comes to tattoos, piercing and
laser treatment.
Branding might even be far worse.

I'm not trying to come across as some sort of 'internet tough guy'
here. I *do* consider myself to have a pretty high pain threshold -
I've had my teeth drilled without anesthetic in the past and my
tattoos hardly even registered for the majority of the time when I was
having them.

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
And you are going to "write" this slogan on your chest ?
Mind you, I don't care what you do, it's your body after all.
But don't ask me to believe you.
For all I know you are just another 12-year old summer troll wannabe.
<snip>

It wasn't intended as a troll at all and I'm sorry if you took it that
way. I'm genuinely interested in branding and I really didn't expect
to get such hostile responses.

[Curt James]

Dav <***@hotmale.com> wrote:
[...]

Post by Dav
It wasn't intended as a troll at all and I'm sorry if you took it that
way. I'm genuinely interested in branding and I really didn't expect
to get such hostile responses.

I didn't see your post as trolling, but I also didn't perceive the
replies as especially hostile. Hmm, which is kindasorta on the topic
of pain threshold, isn't it?

With that in mind, here's a rather dusty (but I found interesting)
piece:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2784869.stm

Anywho, welcome to RAB. :o)

[Dav]

Post by Curt James
[...]

Post by Dav
It wasn't intended as a troll at all and I'm sorry if you took it that
way. I'm genuinely interested in branding and I really didn't expect
to get such hostile responses.

I didn't see your post as trolling, but I also didn't perceive the
replies as especially hostile. Hmm, which is kindasorta on the topic
of pain threshold, isn't it?

I kinda got a 'you must be fucking stupid for even thinking of this'
vibe from some of the replies I got. Maybe I've got the wrong end of
the stick (text comments and the lack of tone of voice/facial
expression to ascertain the nature in which said comments were made,
etc.)...

Post by Curt James
With that in mind, here's a rather dusty (but I found interesting)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2784869.stm
Anywho, welcome to RAB. :o)

Cheers. I've been a semi-regular lurker and occasional poster here on
and off for a couple of years now.

[K***@gmail.com]

Post by Dav
I kinda got a 'you must be fucking stupid for even thinking of this'
vibe from some of the replies I got. Maybe I've got the wrong end of
the stick (text comments and the lack of tone of voice/facial
expression to ascertain the nature in which said comments were made,
etc.)....

And I think that is what some people intended. Jesus, just because it
is an idea that you think (you think) is original, doesn't mean it is
original or even a good idea.

Capt. Google believes that any argument is the "devil's advocate"
argument. It isn't. And just because someone someone doesn't call you
sweetheart when they are declaring your idea stupid doesn't mean your
idea isn't stupid.

Please note that we all get to judge. To say otherwise is naive. No
one has brought up cross-contamination, etc. Listen to Curt. Let him
suck your dick. All you will end up with is a bad scar and a lot of
back-pedalling.

And since no one has asked -- who are you anyway?


K

Post by Dav

Post by Curt James
With that in mind, here's a rather dusty (but I found interesting)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2784869.stm
Anywho, welcome to RAB. :o)

Cheers. I've been a semi-regular lurker and occasional poster here on
and off for a couple of years now.
--
This space intentionally left blank.
Now playing: Johnny Thunders & The Heartbreakers - Flight

[Curt James]

Post by Dav
I kinda got a 'you must be fucking stupid for even thinking of this'
vibe from some of the replies I got. Maybe I've got the wrong end of
the stick (text comments and the lack of tone of voice/facial
expression to ascertain the nature in which said comments were made,
etc.)....

Hard to tell.

And I think that is what some people intended. Jesus, just b<snip>

Overwrought much, Kav?

[...]

Listen to Curt.

*Finally* you say something that makes sense! ;o)

Let him suck your dick.

Or let *you* bust his balls. Wait, that's not you, Kav. That'd be "a
nice, little, middle-school girl," right? I mean according to you. See:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/msg/5f9aeb6514a4cf14

In that case, at least imo, fact is more humorous if not stranger than
fiction. And, yeah, I do believe it also makes a strong argument for
the idea that karma exists.

All you will end up with is a bad scar

Define bad scar. I have scars from glass and a butcher knife. I've seen
scars from branding. I'm sure there are people out there who've branded
their own body. That's in no way a recommendation for the OP to brand
himself. And wishing him luck on finding accurate information? That's a
bad thing in your book? Rhetorical.

and a lot of back-pedalling.

Right. Speaking of backpedaling, you might want to "retreat or
withdraw" from your attitude. The one you have now is pure stank.

Hth.

[The Queen of Cans and Jars]

Post by Dav
I'm genuinely interested in branding and I really didn't expect
to get such hostile responses.

you didn't get any hostile responses; you got people telling you it's
really not a good idea. don't be such a whiner.

[Curt James]

Post by The Queen of Cans and Jars

Post by Dav
I'm genuinely interested in branding and I really didn't expect
to get such hostile responses.

you didn't get any hostile responses; you got people telling you it's
really not a good idea. don't be such a whiner.

Ohhhhh, she's right, Dav. No hostile responses, nooooo. Of course,
she's not unfamiliar with posts like this one:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/e7215274cf081409

Better to whine than be brittle? ;o)

[Hans van Eynsbergen]

On Thu, 04 May 2006 00:03:32 +0100, Dav, while still wondering about

Post by Dav
On Wed, 3 May 2006 20:18:53 +0200, Hans van Eynsbergen

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
On Wed, 03 May 2006 02:23:05 +0100, Dav, while still wondering about

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).

Tell me, Dav, are you SERIOUSLY expecting me to believe that you are
able to do a "slogan" all by yourself ?
Working upside down and mirrored ?
Right.....

I don't know. That's why I asked if anyone had any experiences with
this. I'm not planning to just go out, buy a soldering iron, get
drunk, sit down in front of the bathroom mirror and draw all over
myself, yaknow? I'd need to know *exactly* what I was doing and what I
was getting myself into.
'Writing' a few words *would* seem to me to be much easier than trying
to 'draw' an image. The sort of thing I'm imagining would be mostly
comprised of straightish lines anyway...

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen

Post by Dav
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium

Please, divulge your adventures when it comes to tattoos.
What kind do you have ?
How many ?
Large pieces ?
Maybe post a few pics /
http://tinypic.com/

I have a large tat on my back (considering building it into a full
backpiece when I have the money) and a medium-sized tattoo on my left
bicep. I'd get someone to take pictures but my digital camera is
knackered. I'm not exactly a complete newbie.

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen

Post by Dav
the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too).>
How difficult is it to brand oneself anyway

I Imagine that to be extremely difficult and very painful.
Don't gimme any crap about a superb tolerance for pain, cause we all
have a high tolerance for pain when it comes to tattoos, piercing and
laser treatment.
Branding might even be far worse.

I'm not trying to come across as some sort of 'internet tough guy'
here. I *do* consider myself to have a pretty high pain threshold -
I've had my teeth drilled without anesthetic in the past and my
tattoos hardly even registered for the majority of the time when I was
having them.

Post by Hans van Eynsbergen
And you are going to "write" this slogan on your chest ?
Mind you, I don't care what you do, it's your body after all.
But don't ask me to believe you.
For all I know you are just another 12-year old summer troll wannabe.
<snip>

It wasn't intended as a troll at all and I'm sorry if you took it that
way. I'm genuinely interested in branding and I really didn't expect
to get such hostile responses.

Don't consider my reply's as hostile rather as disbelief.
But as the thread got longer, I suppose you are quite serious about your
project.
And yes, it might be a can of worms.
Just as long as we don't mean any disrespect, it's alright to have a
heated discussion.
I wish you luck and hope you will stick around to surprise us with the
final outcome.
Even if you should decide not to do any branding.

[DarkAdaptedEye]

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

I actually know someone who tried to brand his own chest and who ended
up with prolonged treatment for a badly infected burn and a 3" diameter
raised scar - not big and not clever.

[Dav]

On Wed, 03 May 2006 22:31:03 GMT, DarkAdaptedEye

Post by DarkAdaptedEye

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

I actually know someone who tried to brand his own chest and who ended
up with prolonged treatment for a badly infected burn and a 3" diameter
raised scar - not big and not clever.

What did he use, as a matter of interest?

[DarkAdaptedEye]

Post by Dav
On Wed, 03 May 2006 22:31:03 GMT, DarkAdaptedEye

Post by DarkAdaptedEye

Post by Dav
Is there any particular reason why I shouldn't do this?
I'm just considering my options at the moment. I've decided that I
want a brand at some point in the future (no idea exactly what design
just yet, I'm still thinking about that one - it'll probably be words
or some kind of slogan across my chest).
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.
I figured that if I was to do it myself, I could get it looking
exactly how I envisioned it (okay, and save money too). How difficult
is it to brand oneself anyway - anyone have any experience with this?
I'm not particularly squeamish and I have a fairly high pain
tolerance.

I actually know someone who tried to brand his own chest and who ended
up with prolonged treatment for a badly infected burn and a 3" diameter
raised scar - not big and not clever.

What did he use, as a matter of interest?

Best I can do from his description is a metal object heated with gas
until it was white-hot and then pressed in place. The resulting blister
got infected and he didn't get treatment straight away 'cos he was
embarrassed to tell his story to the doc.

[Dav]

On Thu, 04 May 2006 07:18:10 GMT, DarkAdaptedEye

Post by DarkAdaptedEye
Best I can do from his description is a metal object heated with gas
until it was white-hot and then pressed in place. The resulting blister
got infected and he didn't get treatment straight away 'cos he was
embarrassed to tell his story to the doc.

Next time I go to see my doc, I'm going to ask him about branding and
the associated risks, things to watch out for during healing and tips
for aftercare. He's very open-minded about body modding, seems to be
pretty well-read on the subject and is an all-round decent guy...

[DarkAdaptedEye]

Post by Dav
On Thu, 04 May 2006 07:18:10 GMT, DarkAdaptedEye

Post by DarkAdaptedEye
Best I can do from his description is a metal object heated with gas
until it was white-hot and then pressed in place. The resulting blister
got infected and he didn't get treatment straight away 'cos he was
embarrassed to tell his story to the doc.

Next time I go to see my doc, I'm going to ask him about branding and
the associated risks, things to watch out for during healing and tips
for aftercare. He's very open-minded about body modding, seems to be
pretty well-read on the subject and is an all-round decent guy...

Sensible to do all the research first, sounds like you're lucky with
your doc.

[eldritch]

Nasty one, but may have been due to his choice of metal, aluminium for
example leads to horribly angry brands most of which get nastily
infected. May even have been due to a lack of considerate hygienic care
afterwards.

[DarkAdaptedEye]

Post by eldritch
Nasty one, but may have been due to his choice of metal, aluminium for
example leads to horribly angry brands most of which get nastily
infected. May even have been due to a lack of considerate hygienic care
afterwards.

Knowing the guy involved I think it was actually due to lack of
knowledge of even basic infection control

[david]

Post by Dav
I was talking to the bloke at my local tattoo emporium the other week
and he was explaining the process to me. He uses a cautery pen which,
from what I have read appears to simply be a medical version of a
high-powered soldering iron.

I know this thread is old, but I haven't been here for a while.

There's a woman at BodyDesign in Gent, Belgium, who does branding and uses a
laser needle which burns to a depth of 3mm. That seems to be a lot more
precise and accurate and the results look good. It might be worth trying to
find someone more local who uses one.

Her branding pictures are here and the 7th thumb nail in shows the the
branding being done.
http://users.telenet.be/galerij.bodydesign/portfoliobranding2005/

David

[Curt James]

david wrote:
[...]

Post by david
I know this thread is old, but I haven't been here for a while.

Welcome back.

Post by david
There's a woman at BodyDesign in Gent, Belgium,

I've been there. Not BodyDesign, the city. About a million years ago
courtesy of Uncle Sam.

http://www.portghent.com/

Post by david
who does branding and uses a laser needle which burns
to a depth of 3mm. That seems to be a lot more precise
and accurate and the results look good. It might be worth
trying to find someone more local who uses one.
Her branding pictures are here and the 7th thumb nail in
shows the the branding being done.
http://users.telenet.be/galerij.bodydesign/portfoliobranding2005/

Cool.

Loading Image...
aka http://tinyurl.com/le55w

And ~*OUCH!*~

He's got a lot of design yet to be completed at that point. Zoinks!
Note the teeth showing on the left. I suspect that's not a happy grin.

Post by david
David

[yttrx]

Post by Curt James
[...]

Post by david
I know this thread is old, but I haven't been here for a while.

Welcome back.

Post by david
There's a woman at BodyDesign in Gent, Belgium,

I've been there. Not BodyDesign, the city. About a million years ago
courtesy of Uncle Sam.
http://www.portghent.com/

Post by david
who does branding and uses a laser needle which burns
to a depth of 3mm. That seems to be a lot more precise
and accurate and the results look good. It might be worth
trying to find someone more local who uses one.
Her branding pictures are here and the 7th thumb nail in
shows the the branding being done.
http://users.telenet.be/galerij.bodydesign/portfoliobranding2005/

Cool.
http://users.telenet.be/galerij.bodydesign/portfoliobranding2005/images/during.jpg
aka http://tinyurl.com/le55w
And ~*OUCH!*~
He's got a lot of design yet to be completed at that point. Zoinks!
Note the teeth showing on the left. I suspect that's not a happy grin.

Post by david
David

See, this is much better, Curt. I don't have to want to smack you down
again, k?




-----yttrx

[Curt James]

yttrx wrote:
[...]

Post by yttrx
See, this is much better, Curt. I don't have to want
to smack you down again, k?

See Corine's post on control.

You really have none here that I can see.

Hth. (But, yes, I won't be surprised if it doesn't.)

[yttrx]

Post by Curt James
[...]

Post by yttrx
See, this is much better, Curt. I don't have to want
to smack you down again, k?

See Corine's post on control.
You really have none here that I can see.

Maaaannn, you have NO idea.

Control insofar as it implies restraint has been shown by
me in these few threads over the last few days in spades.

Massive.




-----yttrx

[Corine]

Post by yttrx
Maaaannn, you have NO idea.
Control insofar as it implies restraint has been shown by
me in these few threads over the last few days in spades.
Massive.

*You could have been mean but you kept asking questions and pointing facts.
Conclusion: he'll never learn when it's time to really shut the fuck up
nor what is truly inappropriate (which is what started it all).

Corine

[Curt James]

Corine wrote:
[...]

<snip> what is truly inappropriate (which is what started it all).

Imo, Kavin's "Let your wife die and then get a memorial tattoo."

Ymmv.

[yttrx]

Post by Curt James
[...]

<snip> what is truly inappropriate (which is what started it all).

Imo, Kavin's "Let your wife die and then get a memorial tattoo."
Ymmv.

Two wrongs, Curt? And his wasn't all that bad.

Yours was very, very bad.

You have yet to see me get inappropriate, despite your behavior.




-----yttrx

[yttrx]

Post by Corine

Post by yttrx
Maaaannn, you have NO idea.
Control insofar as it implies restraint has been shown by
me in these few threads over the last few days in spades.
Massive.

*You could have been mean but you kept asking questions and pointing facts.
Conclusion: he'll never learn when it's time to really shut the fuck up
nor what is truly inappropriate (which is what started it all).

Preeeeecisely.

See curt? The french chick gets it.

<3 french chix.




-----yttrx

[TATOOEDANDSEXY]

Well sweet heart I was wondering if you can help me find people who do
brandings in the state of Louisiana . I would deeply appreciate the
help....

[TATOOEDANDSEXY]

Well sweet heart I was wondering if you can help me find people who do
brandings in the state of Louisiana . I would deeply appreciate the
help....

[TATOOEDANDSEXY]

Well sweet heart I was wondering if you can help me find people who do
brandings in the state of Louisiana . I would deeply appreciate the
help....

[david]

Post by TATOOEDANDSEXY
Well sweet heart I was wondering if you can help me find people who do
brandings in the state of Louisiana . I would deeply appreciate the
help....

It's hard to find people who do branding anywhere and I can't help with
Louisiana. Try tattoo and body piercing places that cater for the more
serious bodymod types and they may know of somewhere. You could also try
asking any local bdsm or fetish groups because they are sometimes into
branding.

David

[t***@yahoo.com]

I'm extremely late to the conversation but would like to follow up with the OP. What happened?